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Re:The Master Plan... 9 Years, 2 Months ago Karma: 0  
Well, I think that it's good that things are being done. It's clear to me that Marc has gone to alot of trouble to make sure people get a voice in this neighborhood. We all have jobs and children. What I see is that Marc and the rest of the board are putting in a ton of time to help make this neighborhood a better place to live. Marc took on a job that no one else wanted, but someone had to do, and I think he's doing a fine job of it. Not to offend but, I might suggest that if you are very against change in the neighborhood, you become active on the board in the future to have your say and see things firsthand. It's a year commitment and many of us have done our part, a number doing it over and over again because no one else will. It's great to have fresh faces to help.
 
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Re:The Master Plan... 9 Years, 2 Months ago Karma: 0  
But if you have a plan, you have to have a thorough plan.

Marc's plan, while interesting, uses flawed financials. The economy is not good, and, the attitude of saying "well, the covenants say we can increase dues 10% without your permission, so we will do just that", well, that's just wrong.

His forecasts for the increased dues will leave us with DOUBLE the fees, and that's only if his 1.5% 'budget/inflation' model proves true.

There are no "checks and balances", no guarantees, not one single thing that keeps this fee growth in check.
 
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Re:The Master Plan... 9 Years, 2 Months ago Karma: 1  
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Marc Herrick, the president of the HOA, has already sent everyone a "warning" about the document that I am distributing.

And yet, I'm still going forward with putting it out. I'm on version 2 now, and will upload that soon. It has some clarifications that I thought it was important to make.

Please note, fellow homeowners, that this is not "just my opinion", even though I take full credit for the document and the campaign to stop this travesty... many have spoken - a few on the phone - and I am simply giving VOICE to some of our neighbors thoughts here as well.

Please participate in these discussions!


Bravo John for putting out your document!
 
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Thanks.

I appreciate your support.
 
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Re:The Master Plan... 9 Years, 2 Months ago Karma: 0  
This is posted here by the ADMIN - comments on the articles have length limits. In the interest of fairness, I've copied the entire thing from the database and posted it here. I have inserted some comments in context
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Thanks for always being so willing to express your thoughts and concerns for the community. I can appreciate that from the stand-point that I have seen several more police cars and teenager issues recently and hope that we don't turn into one of these other neighborhoods that each of us is trying to stay away from. With high-speed cops flying through here chasing kids around for doing drugs, fighting, and speeding all the time, it's a wonder to me that you don't want us to be MORE strict and serious about the covenants.

How will more strict covenants help that in any way, Marc? Create a HOA Board Storm Trooper group? And what would they do? String Barbed wire on the streets?

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The Board has received over 100 surveys from the residents and all that we have put together in the Master Plan derives from that feedback. Of course we were ALL for it as it makes our neighborhood better and we can all benefit from nicer, cleaner, newer amenities. These are the things that I present on at my meeting and explain that this was a resident request for these things, and not just an SHOA Board decision.

There are parts of the plan that are intriguing, and the way the survey was phrased was general enough to gather lots of interest. I chose YES, for example, on speed bumps - but also noted on my survey that it was a conditional YES... Stop Signs have to be removed in order for my vote to STAY 'yes'. And on top of that you're assuming, however, that the other 124 people who DID NOT RESPOND also want change?
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I'm sure with your knowledge and expertise of our Covenants we'll be calling on you to participate and make your voice known to the Board, and then eventually the residents. Please refrain from handing out literature to the community, as you truly are expressing your personal views and agenda.

My views and those of more than 20 people who've contacted me... With regard to literature, I must say respectfully, no. I'll distribute and those who want to read it, or discuss, can do so here in a wide open uncensored forum, at their leisure and at any time of day or night.
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We just want everyone to hear the plan first and then make decisions about what they would like for the community.

No problem with that at all - I just want to let others in the community be heard too.
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Please follow procedure and present your proposed changes to the Board, we will compile those suggestions and then as a Board discuss them, and determine what would be in the best interest of the residents. At that point, we would present the best covenant proposed changes and allow EVERYONE to VOTE on those changes. Respectfully. Marc


Who determines BEST? And who's counting the votes? These are valid concerns, not just mine.....
 
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Re:The Master Plan... 9 Years, 2 Months ago Karma: 1  
Marc wrote:
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John
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Please refrain from handing out literature to the community, as you truly are expressing your personal views and agenda.
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Respectfully. Marc



Isn't that his right under the First Amendment?
 
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Re:The Master Plan... 9 Years, 2 Months ago Karma: 0  
There are many more issues with Southlands HOA than the Master Plan. I think everyone who has concerns or issues with the Master Plan and the current board should meet and combine their resources and ideas.
 
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The board cannot obligate the HOA to increasing the annual assessments every year. Any loans requires 2/3 of the homeoners consent. Furthermore, any Master Plan or loans must be reflected in the HOA budget. At that point, the HOA budget still has to be approved by a qourum of homeowners.
 
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Re:The Master Plan... 9 Years, 2 Months ago Karma: 0  
jm1239 wrote:
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The board cannot obligate the HOA to increasing the annual assessments every year. Any loans requires 2/3 of the homeoners consent. Furthermore, any Master Plan or loans must be reflected in the HOA budget. At that point, the HOA budget still has to be approved by a qourum of homeowners.


Which is exactly why they tried to reduce the size of a required quorum last year in their proposed -rewrites- of the Covenants.
 
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Re:The Master Plan... 9 Years, 2 Months ago Karma: 0  
John-I found your response to "Sally Sue" (Hmm, I wonder if that is the real name-apparently I am one of few that has the gumption to use my real name here) interesting. She had a differing viewpoint-which she shared, in response to your invitation that it be both pro and con. Your reply was caustic, I thought. If you truly want a discourse, you need to welcome both sides. Otherwise it appears that you are no better than what you keep saying the HOA is-you merely want to advance your own agenda. In the spirit of true conversation, you need to openly welcome both sides of the situation, even if you don't agree. "Sally Sue" said that if you didn't want to live in a neighborhood like this, you could move. I happen to agree. When you bought your house, you agreed to a neighborhood that had covenants. There are many neighborhoods that don't have them. I lived in one and chose to move here because I wanted what covenants offered. I have actually been disappointed by the lack of structure that we have in Southlands. If you want the freedom to do whatever you want , you need to live in a neighborhood that doesn't have covenants. Then you can also live with the negative side effects that go along with it and see what you think. I am all for stronger covenants and will do whatever it takes to advance them in this neighborhood.
 
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